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>> And welcome to the Board of County commissioners meeting
here on 1/23/2024, will now call. This meeting to order I
would asked you all silent, sure cell phones or any other
electronic devices if you have a laptop or an iPad or
something like that.
If you can because so kind to silence those so we don't
interrupt the prisoners and those in the audience
we're going to start out with our invocation by pastor,
John peers. For meth most global church and our pledge of
allegiance will be led by Mister Allen Harris from animal
services.
>> Before I would like to say again how honored I am to be
here. It's always nice to see those faces that pop into my
mailbox occasionally my grandkids. I don't have room
for your photos, but you are being honored recycled so.
Father have a new love laughter. You love us who we
just are so privilege to be able to call you father.
Thank you Lord so much just right now we want to pledge
your allegiance to you we're going to be pledging to our
country and in a few moments.
And we have so much to be thankful for thank you Lord for
those who serve us on this board, thank you for our first
responders who put their lives on the line every day for our
military who to do the same who haven't even our veterans who
will be honored at believe today.
We just are so thankful for all of your goodness is to us.
We honor you this morning, Lord by just asking you for wisdom,
I don't know what items of business will be brought to the
commissioners today, but I just pray that you would give them
wisdom for their work.
And Lord that you would give immunity. Thank you so much for
our country for Seminole County we just honor you by saying we
love you and Jesus name Amen.
>> The police in the pledge. I pledge stands, for all.
>> Thank you pastor, here's and thank you Allan for doing that
for more. Next we're going to move towards presentations and
proclamations and we're going to do this is how we've
historically done over the past year were we're going to have
those parking missions read and then we will take a photo
opportunity at the end after all proclamations have been
done. We will invite the recipient to give us a few
words of wisdom if they desire, and then we'll wrap up with
pictures and a short break and get back to our regular agenda.
First up is going to be proclamation climate
communication center specialist in that vast the United States
Air Force veteran of the month, this commissioner Lockhart.
>> Commissioners it is my honor to have the following
proclamation of Seminole County Board of County commissioners
recognizing United States Air Force communication center
specialist net cost for his outstanding service to the
United States and Seminole County.
Whereas the brave men and women of our army. Navy Marines Air
Force Coast Guard and space force demonstrate a resolute
spirit and unmatched selflessness reminding us there
are few things more American and giving of ourselves to make
a difference in the lives of others
and whereas throughout our country's history. Generations
of service members have answered the call to leave
their families their jobs and their futures and even their
lives on the line to valiantly defender nation.
And whereas for many service members. The sacrifice has
ended and permanent injury or death yet their spirit remains
in the continued preservation of our freedoms and the promise
of Liberty.
And whereas there are more than 30,000 living veterans in
Seminole County who served our nation in times of peace and
war through their service they kept America strong
and whereas communications specialist not pass the is the
proud son of a Yugoslavian officer who went missing in
action during World War 2.
When he was just 10 years of age he was sent to Buchenwald
concentration camp in Germany for 6 months and was
transferred to limber concentration camp for another
7 months.
And whereas Communications specialists net vast the upon
liberation from the German concentration camp and weighing
only 47 pounds was reunited with his family in 1950.
He then obtained his visa and came to the United States
through Ellis Island, New York.
And whereas communications specialist metgasco wanted to
say thank you to the United States for his and his family's
liberation he enlisted in the Air Force in January 1954 and
obtained his unit knighted states citizenship in 1956 fall
still on active duty.
He served honorably until October 1957
and whereas communications specialist Matt Goss to move to
winter Springs in 1962 from 1963 to 1972, he and 2 others
served on the vice squad for the Seminole County Sheriff's
office combatting LSD drug trafficking.
He then became self employed as a mechanical contractor serving
the community until his retirement in 1998 1988,
and whereas communications specialist metgasco has been a
life member for over 30 years of the American Legion and
veterans of foreign wars and is a former vice commander for the
American Legion post 2.43.
He also had perfect membership in the Oviedo Rotary Club for
25 years and has been married for 66 wonderful years
and whereas communications specialist net pasta has
brought great credit and distinction upon himself,
the United States of America, the United States Air Force and
Seminole County. Now therefore be it proclaimed that we the
Board of County commissioners of Seminole County Florida.
I express our gratitude and admiration and respect for cop
communication center. Specialist Matt pasta for his
outstanding service to the United States Air Force and the
residents of Seminole County. It further pope proclaimed that
this proclamation be presented to communication center
specialist Matt basa along with our sincere congratulations and
recognition as Seminole County's veteran of the month,
adopted this 23rd day of January 2024 7.
>> Motion second all those in favor aye oppose saying none
passed unanimously congratulations.
Please if you'd like to make a few comments come up to the
microphone here. The podium.
>> Hi thank you for your time and you could miss it.
Thank my family and my wife to put up the committee for 6.
Thank you very much for your service.
And stick around we'll get some photos here just a little bit.
>> Next proclamation is going to be proclaiming February 2020
for Black History Month in this we read by commissioner andria
her restaurant.
>> Thank you chairman commissioners, I'm happy to
move the following proclamation of the Seminole County Board of
County commissioners proclaiming the month of
February 2024 as Black History Month in Seminole County
Florida
as Black History Month or national african-american
history month was instituted in 1926 as N**** history week by
doctor Carter G Woodson of the Association for the Study of
African American life and history.
Has President Gerald R Ford officially recognize Black
History Month during the 1976 United States bicentennial
celebration as a time of great national significance to honor
the accomplishments of black Americans in every area of
endeavor throughout our history
and whereas the Association for study of African American life
and history has designated the theme of 2024 Ares Black
History Month, as black Americans and the arts.
As this year's theme underscores how black Americans
have greatly contributed to the visual and performing arts
literature fashion folklore language film music
architecture and culinary arts and where as Seminole County is
proud to honor the contributions of black
Americans to the artistic history of our County state.
And nation now therefore be it proclaimed that the Seminole
County Board of County commissioners here by proclaims
the month of February 2024 as Black History Month in Seminole
County and encourages all of our residents to join in
celebrating the importance of black Americans in our history
adopted this 23rd day of January 2024 7.
>> Motion second all those in favor aye opposed hearing.
None passes unanimously your acceptance war will be kind of
terrorist if you here Sir please come up and.
>> Thank you very much part of that one morning warning
extreme 100 to be the recipients of the Black History
Month proclamation.
Extensive. And then on this for a
making this recommendation.
I was so fun to come in on the Koran silent with her
associates as well as the January 23 port of call to
commissions.
For accepting the recommendation.
I'm very very very hot.
Also
ago member of the pro life is so many homes that are Mars
mission me and
good been supporting the arts community that I would need
over the years.
Well since we started as a group we have done a lot to our
community.
The fact that
I'm here to receive this.
He's really
resonating with media says that
the message to
he's been.
We extend that.
I appreciate that. Also
Barbara shot and left he's here with us as well, she's a very
team member in the african-american community for
the Arts.
We have worked together over the years to promote our
community.
I she has worked with me for a chat with me my the same
company ISO
did the polls, you know we do in our community.
Lastly my dear wife probably
she's the
with people.
She's been out of this the telling us she is such a great
support. She's the one that read keep so you can set.
We saw uber cool those far keeping us in check. Having
Littles
you know reaching this far.
The
community
is ocean with for that now.
We started or if you commit, I'm sorry we stopped or
defeated coverage after years of all
where we have all of this.
Purvis said that work.
We select pieces
just to extend. The poor that's a feeling of you know
community.
We went as far as regional or local kind of does Carly
the Heat coming to come in and that was started in 2021 and so
what we do is we select pieces from submissions are the ones
that relief is slowly. Healing. Roach was for Michael and it's
the circulation right now we have to travel hundreds of
copies. Well 2024.
If you wish to get some coffee is for locations in Casselberry
arts a tool for level, one of 5 we have got is the same time
trying to get.
This year's theme black Americans that it is very
significant for me. I was born in Jamaica I live in America
for the past 27 years.
I have been engaged in arts or are these years, my goal has
always been to promote a positive impact and has he has
no allies. It is a wonderful feeling. So imagine something I
think creates an image of the imagination, my tensions over
these years have we not only to share my question to him
through the assessment.
Some places
just to give everyone from the sting that they cannot do art I
tried to pull him says Ron.
So there was a new chapter.
Today begins a new chapter in my life as an artist and a
picture frame.
This is a fish and that increases my moment, so I
inspiration it is an encouraging prove that he's not
lost in the art world and I thank you for conservative
that.
We have an audience in this room that draws his art and we
asked are these are very grateful for that so far
they're going to do what they do best to heal the community
to thank you very very much. Thank you.
>> All right we typically don't have comments on proclamations
but I'm feeling a little jovial this morning and I've got a
request for missus
MS. Callaghan that would like to say a few words if you
please come up.
And give us what you would like to say to try to keep it a
short as possible.
>> Thank you, I didn't expect to be to give the public.
But we're almost I'm about to say that is. So yeah, it was my
aches and the Ukraine him
and out of that is what so many to start to life in 6 contests
I don't know what else.
What that means the skill range in this flooded, the made sure
of he's manmade jay-z's dollars hands
because some I did what he will do so.
They will love
we need to support our nature.
They don't do it so for you.
Also I I was do participated in them exit nation for he them.
And I do few piece of art for disease, some and
my brain gym was fugitive on.
I felt was that all for staff.
I was in and helps.
It helps for the Scopes for our soul.
It's what keeps for deferral
and you do this. He did
Matt thank you guys, thank you very much.
>> All right next up is going to be a proclamation claiming
February 12th for a 16th food check out week.
Commissioner dallari leave this and this era of million will be
accepting this award today commissioner, thank you Mister
chairman the proclamation of the summit County Board of
County commissioners proclaiming that week of
February 12th from a 16 to 2024, as check out food check
out we can Seminole County resident, important that
Americans have access to healthy foods
containing at the vitamins minerals fiber and other
nutrients much even been trance with fewer resources remain
because sure concern of our citizens
who has this concern can be addressed. 2 consumer education
about why shopping strategies. It was Florida, farmers and
ranchers
for unmatched inability to consistently produce and
abundant of safe
Patricia's and abundant and affordable foods and West
Florida.
Farmers face significant uncertainties including
inclement weather
damaging in section of the challenges on a daily basis.
Whereas Seminole County farmers, ranchers and others
and cultural industry work together in an environmentally
sustainable way to help feed the people here in Seminole
County our state and nation in other countries around the
world.
Now therefore proclaim that the summit County Board of County
commissioners here by claimed a week of Feb are 12 to
2/16/2024, is food check out week in Seminole County Florida
adopted this 20 3rd day January 2024 seconds.
First and second all those in favor aye oppose seeing none
passed unanimously.
Mister million if you would like to come forward and have a
few words to you.
Good morning and thank you for being here today, good morning.
>> I mean half of the Seminole County from your board of
directors and its members. I think the commission the
board for your continued support of local agriculture.
As you mentioned for checkout week that 3rd week in February
is a time to celebrate the fresh and nutritious foods
available to consumers. So so the same week that the USDA
says the average family of 4 were enough to pay for their
annual food supply.
Members embrace this time to highlight for agriculture in
the healthy foods farmers Rangers provide throughout the
year. Several of our community projects that we continue to be
involved in or and we need to local food banks, including
home helps and the Russell House.
We're also very supportive. It came the next generation
about agriculture and the part of the service, a little food
supply.
And we also sponsor and the annual meeting and lunch to
bring local fighters and members of the community
together for learning and fellowships again I just want
to thank you for your continued support of agriculture in our
community. Thank you very much.
>> I have all the commissioners of fun, we'll get pictures with
all the recipients if you all would stage will start with.
Mister wasko
Mister chairman for walking down I just want to show the
young lady from Ukraine came from that on February 24th at
cranes roost in Altamonte Springs, they will be having a
Ukrainian festival I did not know if you knew that are not
from 12 to 6 to support Ukraine's.
>> To report yet for the consent.
We just.
We'd like for the difference between right.
Yeah because I think
one more.
>> All right next up is going to be our County investment
adviser Mister Scott mcintyre who's going to give us our
presentation of our investment portfolio
welcome Mister mcintyre.
From the great state of Texas.
Good morning, everybody and we do well.
It's been a while
things have changed a little bit.
>> Since we last spoke inflationary pressure he's he's
he's quicker than the best offense was.
That's headline numbers. We see sometimes but new
numbers and a look at it really is they look at something
called the personal consumption, expenditures and
later this week is expected to look like it's under 2% year
over year which should
we start to sway them to the point where they'll be ready to
cut soon. The question is when they're going to cut 4th
quarter growth is quicker than people expected it would be.
We started the 4th quarter a lot of folks thought that we
would be near 0 it turned out that it was
with close between 2, 2, and a half percent.
So for the whole year it's been a pretty decent year and we
began last year most people thought that we would see
recessions so at this point recession is probably off the
table entirely for for 2024. I'm not sure if that is
actually
realistic a lot of the head was that we faced last year are
still here. We just got so tired of saying it's right
around the corner that we're not saying. Yields plunge in
December. It wasn't really what the Fed did in December it was
what Powell said at the press conference and 7.
And what he said should have been a surprise but
he admitted to reporters that they had discussed great cause
that the meeting
and that was really all the market needed to years so it
was cut off and running in yields move lower in the
expectation is that
for all of 2024, good trend for yield is going to be down.
So we peaked in mid to late October. And we have been on a
downtrend system very recently you said that higher which is
advantageous in the event that we make some purchases within
the next couple days. The new higher because Fed officials
pushed back on the idea that the market thought that they
were going to be very aggressive in their cuts the
Fed says we're not going to be quite as aggressive as the
market sinks we're going to be in that remains to be seen.
You know, of course every day's a new day, especially this
year. So the choices that we're seeing and I know this is hard
for everybody to see you guys should be able to see if and
the U.S. Treasury's remember what Mark office, the previous
2 meetings where yields were. So that takes us back to
December and November and pretty much Curran.
And a 24 month Treasury got down to 4 inside for 10 a
couple weeks ago before the Fed pushed back on that. So the 24
month keeps him around 5.25 and October we're now down to
roughly 4.40.
And we still see that as an opportunity to buy because we
believe that once the Fed does start to cover a suspected to
be. Basically every meeting for the remainder of the year will
be lower. The banks.
The first officer to go into your banks and asked them what
they want to pay and 24 months he almost everybody pass this
time, one offered 3% one offered a 44% those are not
advantageous anymore so that's not going to happen. Overnight
rates are still attracted because the Fed has actually
cut rates but we're going to step out of some of those go
out of the curve walk in for longer so that your income
which was advantageous last year will be as advantageous if
not more advantageous this year and hopefully in 2 2025 as
well.
So inventories are actually done in January that's by
design we you know, when you've got money that's coming in and
you really don't want to position funds to mature on top
of that so for the most part we do have maturities this month
you have seen quite a few February. We have quite a few
more in March.
There are a lot of recent investments, a lot of us we're
not where we thought they'd be sort of
moved back and forth in the projected months and how great
a little bit more work it could where the securities actually
were
but to get to the clerk's office gotten all of those
investments done I think that they were to do with the Golden
today, they will know within a couple months. This pretty much
right now we're we're getting of the yield and here we're
going out we're locking in a little bit more into the longer
maturities and we feel like that's going to make a lot of
sense going forward the last 3 there in the bottom did not
settle as of December they settled in January so sort of
keep that in mind when I look at where the yields are for the
overall portfolio the recommended investments.
What if we could get those done this week where yields are so
unattractive but 2 blocks of 20 Treasuries are just super 7
most advantageous is taking those out October 2025 we have
a gap in your your cash on you have we typically have a
expense of these in October and another 20 million at a March
2026 a little over 2 years.
And that those those
expenses as well as balances that will draw to make the
purchases will come from Florida prime where most of the
cash is at this point time.
Made a misstep for before step back if that's OK just show you
did was to to 6 at the end of December. The portfolio is for
84.
Yeah, 28% liquid, 71% was walked into fixed
going forward with the 2 know maturities the key to
40 million dollar investment you actually moves where but
your fix floating rate you've got 80% rotten fixed and 20%
floating. It actually takes the yield down a little bit but you
know for marking that against the B one year the team here
pretty much word. One year is now in quite a bit about the
two-year that's going to prove as we roll 40 to 2024.
So at this point I need to
have a chairman to ask for motion. I never. I will look
for motion.
Commissioner.
>> Chairman of have to move to implement the recommendations
of the financial advisor based on the report that we all just
saw here today and recommend that the clerk implement the
recommendations seconds.
>> Motion by commissioner her second by Gloria all those in
favor aye opposed like sign hearing none passed
unanimously.
Thank you very much for being here forest and good luck to
your fellow Texans
thank you to
next up is going to be our consent agenda and for the
there's anybody in the audience that's here to speak on any of
the consent. Items on our agenda today, your forms of the
law be that you can do if you want to speak. So all the
yellow form if you want to just right a written comment entered
into the record.
Well, the green one, what Clark's right here on the hand
raise fuel delivered to her and then we'll get to that point.
The county attorney will read the rules for public
participation.
>> Thank you chairman good morning, Florida law provides
that members of the public should be given a reasonable
opportunity to be heard on propositions before the Board
of County commissioners except when the board is acting on
emergency Ministerio matters or conducting a meeting exempt
from the requirements of the sunshine law, individuals shall
be permitted 3 minutes for each
for pup each for public participation or 6 minutes when
the individual as an official representative of a formal
Association, a group, the chairman may modify the maximum
time for public participation at his sole discretion when
appropriate public comments on quasi judicial a other public
hearing items will occur during the board's consideration of
those items this afternoon, public participation on pending
procurement matters are on non agenda items should not be
permitted at this time. Members of the public desiring to make
public comment must fill out a speaker form and present the
farm to staff and forms are available in the lobby.
Thank you madam.
>> We appreciate that next we're going to make some
corrections before from of the county manager for an inquiry
note on your agenda. Commissioners, the
constitutional officers consent agenda items are listed as 5,
6, are actually 4, 5,
The county manager consent items are listed as 7 through
22. That actually should be 7 through 9 team.
6 to 19 I'm sorry.
So with that I will we'll ask the county manager do you have
any changes updates are.
>> Yes thank you. Mister chairman, there's just 2 items
I would like to pull. We'll bring those back and that is
item on the consent agenda item number 7 and item number 13.
Pull those as well as if you'd like under the work session
agenda. If you want me to go to mention that that we're going
to be rescheduling the parks master plan presentation and
Iran master plan presentation to another day.
>> Okay, so those numbers again that you want people to 7 13
7.13.
Any questions from the commissioners on of those
items.
Any commissioner desire to pull a consent item commissioner
know I look for motion.
>> I'd be happy to make a motion to approve items for
through 19 -17 and are 7.13 seconds.
>> Motion second all those in favor.
I oppose like sign hearing none passed unanimously.
Very good. Thank you all very much everybody good to continue
to be a short break for any reason this.
As you heard just a few minutes ago unfortunately, we will not
be hearing the
presentation
because of a family matter so we will move to a regular
agenda item.
First up is going to be 2023 dash 1463, 2324 grand project
carryforward budget amendment resolution, Mister Tim Jackson
management and Budget director is here to present Mister Jax.
>> Thank you commissioners and Timothy checks with the Office
of Management and budget.
Item number 20 is our annual grant project caring for the
our site was advertised on January 18th in Orlando
Sentinel. This is a budget amendment that will carry
forward available balances for approved projects the last
fiscal year, 23 every appropriate them, the current
fiscal year, 24.
Backup reports for this item include a one page summary as
well as the detailed list of every project being carries
forward.
The FY 23 approved budget included 971 active projects
of that 330 projects were completed in 20 projects were
deferred resulting in 17 million dollars being closed
back to fund reserves.
This leaves 621 active projects to be carried forward into the
FY 24 budget.
The total amount of the VA are is 519 million 444 thousand 736
dollars.
On the revenue side, we're caring for dedicated funding of
102 million dollars in grants plus 5 million dollars in a
project agreement
which leaves 411.9 million dollars in a signed fund
balance.
These are revenues collected in the prior year which were
assigned by the board to approve projects are not part
of her unrestricted reserves. And this includes approximately
20 million dollars in general fund
school shooting
and the expenditure side we AR is balanced a grant
carryforward includes 24 million dollars in our
American rescue plan Grant.
As well as community services grants storm water drainage
grandson, the safer Grant our Fire Department.
Next 5 points project which is under way the 99 million dollar
carry forward represents the amount of debt proceeds that
were available on September 30th last fiscal year.
We have a 149.9 million dollars being cared for in our sales
tax program o'clock across 143 active projects.
In the utilities and environmental services CIP
programs we have 82 million dollars being cared for across
118 active projects.
The Fire Department for caring for 49 million dollars across
70 active projects, including new fire stations and fleet.
We have other projects which include our building fund share
projects County why fleet and other donation funding.
And finally we're caring for 6.7 million dollars into
reserves in the general fund related to excess fees received
from our sheriff and what went straight. We already proved to
be a are to take that money from reserves in FY 24 so this
a special and will put that money back into reserves.
That concludes my presentation.
>> Thank you Mister Jax is there any inquiries by the
board to Mister Jax
is there anybody in the public that wishes to comment was it.
>> Commissioner Lockhart so I just say how much I appreciated
everything and going through a lot of these items in in detail
because it is a incredibly detailed item and I think one
of the things we've struggled with in the past is that
communicating with the public that this is not just a bunch
of money we couldn't figure out how to spend so we're rolling
it forward, but there are active dedicated projects
that this money is dead is allocated toward already I hate
to use the word earmark but that might be of a phrase that
rings familiar with members of the public so just so with that
we're clear because I know sometimes
I love the way number numbers, people speak, but sometimes
when numbers people speak you hear like the the peanuts
character right so in as the plain language as you can
possibly say, could you tell a member of the public how much
of this money is just
able to be spent on something else.
>> 6.7 million dollars is going back to restricted reserve.
>> So out of this really really massive big number that gets a
lot of attention when it's posted in the Orlando Sentinel
6 plus million of that is actually going into
unrestricted reserves, correct, not 40 million not a
100 million 6 1 Million.
>> The rest of the revenue is dedicated to individual
projects with very specific scopes thank you.
Thank you. Commissioner, locker anyone else.
>> I want to take a moment and thank him. Their time you know
this has been something that's been
near and dear to my heart since I arrived here was the
carryforward tonight. I appreciate you and I appreciate
all the directors and management and working to clean
up the carryforwards it's very important to us taxpayers
dollars. And as commissioner Lockhart indicated
understanding what this money is this money is encumbered for
projects that are already contracted or the process of
contract. The door in some phase of a project, some of
these these
particular projects may take.
5, 6, 7, 8, years or longer to complete the money is is
encumbered for those projects. I
convinced
after several years that we are
pretty clean and lean when it comes to the carry forward so
thank you very much
with that.
>> We look to the board Mister chairman I move to approve the
are 24 dash 1, 7, to carry forward available project
budgets and associated fund budget balances into 2023 24
budget.
>> Second the first by commissioner her and a second
by commissioner Lockhart all those in favor aye opposed like
sign seeing none passed unanimously, thank you very
much Mister Jax
next up we have a consideration when reduction request for code
enforcement board Lane item number 2023 dash 1454.
Liz Parkhurst will present us good morning, Liz.
>> Thank you miss Parker, she planning development. Item
number 21 is requests from knowledge a Casa registered
agent for every last group LLC the current owner for a
reduction of the code enforcement lane for the
property located at 1300 Arapahoe trail. And today but
for covid case numbers. 6 dash 28 their CV.
On 11/1/2005, the previous. Owner was found to be in
violation of Seminole County code chapter, 95 section 9 to
5.4 for the following violations abandoned unused
usable appliances trash and debris and abandoned vehicles,
the code enforcement board issued an order list into
compliance of 5/28/2006 with a fine of a $100 per day. The
violations were not corrected. On 6/1/2006.
The affidavit to not place was caused by the code enforcement
officer and the 40 issued an order imposing a team for not
apply to them out of $6,000 with the 5 continue to accrue
the code enforcement officer filed an affidavit of
compliance in 9/7/2018 after inspection confirmed the
violations forward totally amount of crude is $448,300 for
4,483 days of not compliance due to the unpaid back taxes,
the property was sold on 9/23/2021 to the current owner.
State statute, one 97.5 5 to text these planes hellfire than
this for County government survived the sale of a property
tax deed transfer
additionally due to the states to change after one 62 point
and duration of lean requirements as Ali was imposed
on 7/27/2006 it will survive it will sunset on July 2620 26,
what become uncollectible
the applicant is here to request a reduction of lean in
order to clear the property title staff recommends that the
board of County commissioners approved a reduction to the
code enforcement board laying for case number o 6 dash 20.
Their CV to $3,000 on the property located at 1300
Arapahoe trail Geneva currently owned by the ever last group
LLC and require this reduced amount to be paid within 60
days for the league will revert to the original total amount of
448,000 $300 and authorize the chairman to execute the release
of late Wednesday and that concludes my presentation.
Thank you Mister Parker's inquiries by the commission.
So while
we've I think we've probably all had briefings on this item.
>> All right very good. If you'll give me the latitude is
my district. I will move to except a consideration. Ali
reduction of $3,000 for case number oh 6.28 CV on the
property located at 1300 ave
robinho trail Geneva Florida, 3, 2, 7, 3, 2, tax parcel ID 0,
9, dash 2, 0, dash 3, 2, that's 3, 1, dash 0, 0, 1,
Dash 0, 0, 0, 0,
Well second with a point of clarification yes I think we're
reducing the lean to 3,000 direct from 448,300.
Anybody from the public here wish to speak about this before
we continue to move this is the applicant, certain Sir please
come forward state your name and address for the record I
just want to go in my name is not cold so to a fight with
courage tries to David Florida.
>> No I was going to ask you to that even though he offered
3,000 on this house wanting to find out if you all could
convey that less than that because like I said it's a
something that came out from left field to the unexpected
and
is this any consideration for vaping it completely home more
nominal. But the appreciate
he went from this will have to get a loan to make payment on
this sure okay.
>> Questions of the applicant.
Seeing none. Thank you Sir, make yourself comfortable
taking anyone else we're here to speak on this matter
seeing none will close public comment there's a motion a
second all those in favor aye. Those opposed like sign seeing
none passed unanimously, thank you very much for being here
Sir.
Next was our work session was previously planned that we are
going for gold because a family illness I do have a record
asked to bring up a discussion before this board it's not on
the agenda. Development matter in Orange County on the border
of little boundary and commissioner door Tories
district district, one known as the sus than a development.
Rebecca, hammock I believe is here to be able to answer any
questions.
Commissioner dallari.
>> Thank you. Mister chairman first would like to hear from
Mister Becker first just to give an update and then I'd
like to ask the board
to give staff some direction I want to hear from staff first.
>> And to give everybody an idea of the
Orange County Board of County commissioners will be taking
this up with this afternoon for trans middle wearing
as soon as there.
Process gets going with should be somewhere 0.2 3 o'clock to
07:00PM.
>> Correct. Morning for the record, I haven't development
services director. So these stunning project in Orange
County is scheduled for the right time commissioners public
hearing agenda this afternoon which starts at 02:00PM this is
the transmittal hearing for the conference of plan amendments
that are associated with the project
does not include the PD rezoning this time it's just
the comprehensive plan amendment so that is
transmitted it would then have to come back for adoption for
the adoption hearings.
And it's also anticipated that it is transmitted the applicant
will then submit for their PD rezoning application and we'll
have more detailed information at that point.
So really the project is proposing a bill under 1800
single-family units they're not proposing any commercial
development they're not proposing any multifamily units
it's only detached single family residential. Their
overall proposed density is 2.0 1 running units per acre and
they have approximately 877 net developable acres.
So they are also proposing a 300 foot but for environmental
buffer from the Seminole County line. And it's estimated that
the first structure of the first building would be over
900 feet from the Seminole County line.
So that's where the project stands now and I'd be happy to
answer any other questions they are also proposing a school
site and a fire station site within the project.
>> Thank you any inquiries over back I have
nothing for back for any inquiries from.
I think your back if you would just stay close. Too to give
those that are not familiar with that area, the rule
boundary. I know commissioner Larry is
this parcel
Bakst immediately up to us.
This is right on the county line based the world for a
boundary starts yes. And this is the
next property would be South.
River cross that came before us, you know, and we litigated
over a period of time.
So with that I will go to the commission for a price. Thank
you. Mister chairman.
>> Mister chairman I know that the this property has made
significant changes from the last time we saw this several
years ago, but I still also believe that there are still
concerns.
One of the biggest issues that I have with this property is
the storm one of both pre and post.
The storm water does flow into Seminole County. That is part
of the ECON but a son and we have had significant flooding
in that area and I think it's important that those concerns
are addressed as well as any traffic issues that could
potentially coming to Seminole County and those are the
concerns that I want to make sure that we're addressing on
the record. For
the county commission's Orange County.
>> Commissioner Walker. Thank commissioner, her then
commissioner Constantine.
>> A couple of things there 60,000 foot and then there's
granular and I'd like to address and I think stormwater
and engineering this is the transmittal hearing sure we're
not close to doing anything like that and oh by the way
we're not doing it its Orange County.
I think philosophically we've been treading on a very
tds ground and weighing in as a board on a project and another
jurisdictions area I understand the proximity of it to our
County understand some of the impacts week
and with the letter back in April of 2022. With some
questions and some things that we were concerned about and of
Rebecca has that.
I if there are individual members of this for who would
like to express their concerns obviously you are the people
are welcome to do that but as a board to weigh in on a project
on the specifics when it has not even gotten to that point
in the projects life.
I think set a precedent that Orange County might feel like
they have the right way in our projects as a board and
I remember when we have someone here from the Volusia County
Council
weighing in and I remember the members of this board seeding.
Raw that occurred. So I certainly respect the closest
district commissioners concerns. But I am not
comfortable as a board weighing in even though, I'll be honest
with you what I have seen looks like a great project in fact
it's something that I would probably enjoy living and
frankly with the community garden and the
the pollinator corridors and and the intense focus on
preservation and the collaboration with the
university central for with the University of Florida and the
University of Central Florida and monitoring water usage.
I think that is it's an incredibly forward-thinking
sustainable type of project that they're proposing so so we
probably wouldn't be able to come to consensus on what type
of weighing in this board would do. So I would suggest that if
individual members wish to share their opinions that it be
just that individual board members opinions and not this
board as a whole.
>> Commissioner thank Rebecca took a breath.
>> It's okay chairman I just wanted to provide some
additional information whether planning for their storm water
that my provide some
some help but they are they're required to do a green
infrastructure plan and they are planning on doing
low-impact design so they are proposing enhance storm water
systems and actually didn't have like an ecological Park
that's connected to their storm water and because they're in
the ECON River protection area they have to have stormwater
enhance storm water requirements. So they're not at
that point in the development but conceptually that's all
outlined within there, regulating plan and then when
they come back for rezoning in their actual subdivision each
of the neighborhoods is required to have that enhance
storm water system.
They did send our concerns also been working with Mariah Cahill
in Orange County and she did send are specific storm water
requirements to public works. They are with them and we can
work closely with them as it gets further and development if
it gets transmitted ultimately adopted.
>> Any other inquiries.
>> Not inquire for requiring for Rebecca, but I I can't sad
how we would go across jurisdictional lines as a board
and weigh in on their development plans. I'm not only
now but in the future. I'm not even.
I'm not even a 100% certain that
weighing in as individuals is is appropriate given our
position in the community.
I think it's I think Rebecca is doing in cooperating with their
teams to make sure that it's done to the specifications of
the requirements on our side of the equation is appropriate.
What we struggle every time Tallahassee overreaches
and we did want to kick the Volusia County commissioner off
to the podium, something it was palpable and so I just can't
fathom this it's it it.
By the way it's not lost on me that we're fighting for no
development and they're fighting for development which
is just interesting in and of itself, but
I wouldn't want it happening in reverse and I think we have to
respect jurisdictional lines we're not elected in Orange
County they are.
>> Mister Constantine thank you very much
philosophically we're I think when we took some requests to
Orange County.
Asking them to consider our concerns. I don't think we were
telling them what we're what to do we were asking them to
evaluate
the impacts that would have on Seminole County.
And since it was brought up the Volusia County.
Commissioner was talking about conservation space which he has
absolutely no idea of what we're doing in Seminole County
and it wasn't about development. This is about
development on our border.
And the fact of the matter is we have every right
just like we. We have had for years and years when it was
called the development of regional impact
to consider concerns that we cross our borders and impact
our citizens and their proposed quality of life and their
taxes. It cetera.
Commissioner, de lory is correct to be concerned about
the flooding.
I believe that there are transportation concerns.
I believe that with the with the opportunity to go back and
forth in schools and I'm not even putting together school we
have great schools, right along the border that we should be
concerned even though it is not directly
our responsibility but it is our citizens that would be
impacted when it comes to potential schools.
I look at this project also I have met with the development
community that was involved with this it is better than the
previous project, no doubt they are looking at a number of
positive things
like for us to say that it is not our responsibility to look
at the impacts that would affect us because
you know there's no walls there's no odor longings this.
Transportation will go back and forth.
Commerce will go back and forth.
Water will go back and forth
and for us to say that it isn't our responsibility I think is
negligent.
This is a project
where we're talking about on our side of the border.
One to 5 2010 units per acre.
This is 2 plus units per acre.
When it's a massive difference.
And I think just like our letter previously we were
telling Orange County what to do we were simply sick asking
them to take into consideration. Our concerns and
I think that that is wholly appropriate
and the correct decision to make as far as please just like
a previous letter.
Pretty please as you are putting this project together
here are our concerns about the impacts on our side of the
border.
And as I said to you before even even when we have a shared
Fire department
at ucf this will affect
potential you know timing that we're talking about so there's
a lot of there's a lot of concerns here,
I'm not telling Orange County what to do.
I am so I'm asking them because we don't have the development
of regional impact project
anymore which we would have had a great deal of impact on the
spot, a great deal of
of opportunity to tell them. Our concerns.
We are I think if I'm not mistaken the company chairman
of the commission the district commissioner it's simply asking
us to reinforce
our concerns that we have already suggested to that.
2 Orange County as to when they are looking at this project
please take these issues into consideration is that what
you're asking for exact. And I think that that is wholly
appropriate and we should absolutely do that.
>> Commissioner off our questioner
I'll try to bring all of us and for all.
>> And Yahoo view and a representative Flake and she
wanted everybody to bring her comments and really that's
right.
We wrote a letter in April of 2022. Us doing exactly that
expressing the concerns that we would have on quote our side of
the border.
Miss hammock could I ask you
and any of those concerns changed are they the same
concerns today that they were in April 2022.
>> The the concerns haven't changed some of them, I believe
have been alleviated
the crossing of the river on the call like that is just
didn't know that we know vehicular crossing, it's only
pedestrians and bicycles and I think they're going to also
allow he bikes say are connecting the trail to ucf
the remaining concerns I believe from that original
letter probably the timing of the construction of the new
fire station and they're looking at that have various
studies done that look at a looking at possibly widening
chuluota road from 2 lanes to 4 lanes and then start and then
ultimately have the storm water is designed but I think they do
they are addressing our previous concerns through what
they're requiring to storm water.
>> So an additional letter that would be written today, one
memo that would need to be sent to somehow because I'm assuming
we're attempting to influence this 40 we're doing this this
morning before we've identified that their meeting as this
afternoon we're wanting to get something on the record or
something in writing before this afternoon it would only
because we're
because we're attempting to influence that outcome.
So the letter that we would send or the message that we
would send to that word today would be
I'm assuming, I'm I'm drafting this in my head of what it
might sound like it would be something like thank you for
addressing our concerns from the April 2022 letter we
appreciate that the majority of them have been addressed and
these are the 3 things that we still see as concerns that we
would like to have a something work because we certainly
wouldn't be saying we're opposed to it right.
>> I had my $0.2 well, I'm just asking what has become an
addition or. Commissioner Constantine has confirmed with
you both of you what it is that you are requesting and so I'm
asking for additional confirmation you are you
requesting that we send a letter saying we are opposed or
supportive.
>> No what I'm requesting his is the district commissioner
has requested this come up for discussion and this board have
a consensus of what it is we want to do.
The water reiterate the letter that's already been sent you
want to redraft a new letter or do you want to do nothing what
is it that.
>> So to answer that so that you can bring it in for
landing. So I would either do nothing.
I would send a letter saying thank you for addressing all of
the things that we have already asked for we are grateful that
most of them have been address positively
that that was there to be one of my 2 choices.
>> Commissioners and commissioner dallari
first of all I want to cut it off get back to me and try to
wrap this thing up.
>> First of all this was correct me if I'm wrong I did
all the briefings, I read the board book cover to cover was
this addressed this is just an item that popped onto an agenda
that we had no awareness of this.
Okay, so I didn't miss a memo.
And the mention of which may have been coincidental but I
doubt it they're having a meeting this afternoon and we
think we should weigh in.
It is is
just
so uncool I can't get there. And so I think if we're going
to do this there's they had to accomplish this weeks ago we
had to know where this was going that this is such a great
concern we should have been able to be briefed on what it
is this letter looks like I'm completely uncomfortable
briefing.
Writing a letter from the diets that is just not a precedent we
should be setting.
I I concur with commissioner Constantine about a
responsibility to weigh in responsibly but this went well
beyond that in terms of what I thought the ask was and so
we've already sent a letter it is very clear to them what the
letter says because they're already acting on it.
I'm just not convinced that the way we did this is acceptable
from aboard practice perspective.
>> Mister Barr thank you Mister chairman, I know that we
brought this up from the diocese couple times over the
past month or so because we have asked the board to weigh
in and get briefed with the staff members and we did that I
think it was in December some time we're beginning of
January.
I can't remember the exact date. I was going to bring a 7
to last meeting but because of the weather issues that
everyone really rushed to get.
The meeting over with if I remember right.
I didn't bring it up.
And as I was aware that this was coming up to today's
meeting.
I just wanted to make sure that our concerns are being
addressed.
I'm not telling anyone to stop development, I'm not telling
anyone that they should
put the brakes on anything in overstep our bounds. Our
concerns least I believe our concerns are additional water
that would be moving North.
The way the river runs in the way the storm water runs in
this area. It does move north.
From Orange County across the county line into Chile. Up into
the ECON a Basin and actually into the Saint Johns River so
any of the water that's going to be moving will be moving
through the Chilean area that is one of my concerns I want to
make sure that those are addressed.
They're also going to be some half of the patients is to make
sure those addressed as well and I think that we have every
pretty sure responsibility too.
Let them know what our concerns are that they can dress and
that would be appropriate that's what my concerns are
Mister chairman that.
So I've heard from
3 or 4 residents who have called with concerns.
>> So and I want to belabor this will give you a history
lesson for all of history background on a lesson.
My late wife and I were the individuals that had horses.
At the commission meeting in Orange County in 2010.
When this was first brought up to be developed.
It has changed to significantly. It is
to the to the better no question about it is
been put on the agenda is in Orange County pulled off
agendas in Orange County, the applicant has
pull that the application midstream multiple times except
center.
So that's really talk about what the real issue that that I
have with this is
siya 3 roads going down through the project.
The white lines.
That's like Pickett road.
Lake Pickett road is a world 2 lane highway just below that is
the grow development which is approximately 2200 units
getting ready to break ground which will be just below this
on Highway 50
County Road 4.19 as already developer funded to be widened
for line all the way to Lake Pickett road which means
the issue you're going to have and I have with this is and you
have 3 roads dumping out on Lake Pickett road which is a 2
lane road.
Running for 19.
Either going south on Highway 50 which is for land or on the
to line for coming North through
chuluota Oviedo. And that's if you go out there any given day
that's what majority and because it's quicker to go
through a veto to get the expressway to get to downtown
Orlando. And there's good highway 50 get on 4.17 to get
Orlando believe or not longer. But as much shorter
the residents out there have been clamoring they can't get
out in the morning, they can't get out. For the numerous
crashes on 4.19.
This is only going to magnify the congestion right through
the rural area on County Road 4.19. That's the first issue I
have with it
seeing the development of the grow
as it lines up with this County staff in Orange County
purposely asked this developer line these up with the other 3
roads to the south which go through the go. Here's the
problem. If you have to grow project appear in a staff have
that could bring it up nobody in their right mind is going to
go through the grow to get highway 50 because it literally
takes 8 times multiple four-lane stops to get through
the road to get that with us.
So it's going to be a nightmare on the corridor for 19 coming
in the chuluota and up through
and Oviedo cetera et cetera.
The other issue is it doesn't facts and only calmer
everything from basically the corner of state route, 5520
where the drag strip is an Orange County drains North into
the Oviedo, watershed Basin and then up through as commissioner
Larry indicated, up into the Saint Johns.
Eventually through the ECON River through Geneva right to
the heart of where we've had all the flooding. That's been
taking place that we all wear of throughout the whole region.
So my position is
I agree
with just about everything that's been said here we have
no desire to tell orange kind of what they should do what
they must do all the I will say in commissioner Constantine's
district I can remember when Orange County weighed in
concerns about border development and Seminole
County.
In that corridor over on the border wall some trail
for 36 or so I don't think we have a desire to tell the
commission what to do, but I think we do owe it to our
constituency.
>> Ensure the concerns are heard.
>> Whether that is
Polish this letter of get rid of the things that was land
that are now taking care of
that would be my sense of what should be done asking for but
I'm not in favor of
telling somebody what they should do nobody a good game,
our concerns and light.
I think we would do.
If we had concerns given to us from another municipality.
We would take those with with honest consideration and do our
best under our code to to do whatever we could that's all
I'm Sam I have no interest in town somebody what to do.
>> Is it your suggestion that we're giving the same letter
back again just to reiterate the concerns are we starting
from scratch.
>> Well, I think I think we need to look at
removing the the crossing of the com because that's not
happening now that's been taken off the books.
There's not a proposed roadway over there.
>> Mister chairman I think I did talk about cross-city comes
kuzma understood, but it's in the original law has no sense
and in that regional, let me just think that a letter that
just updating what our concerns are should be sent.
And Mister chair most of most of our concerns are still out
there. It's not right address to most of our concerns most of
our concerns are still out there. The crossing of the of
the crossing of the ECON is on the table where where they were
talking about building bridge. Get them hammock road. But the
arrests are co-wrote skews me but the rest of it is still
there maybe less has an impact as it might have been before,
but it's still there. The flooding, the schools, the
public safety all of those are still in a in play if you will
correct understood commissioner Lockhart.
>> Well since it's been said by all of us that our attempt is
not to influence or town or County Commission what it is
that we would like for them to do then I would suggest that
staff draft a letter that updated and circulate it to us
so that our offices can see it and then we can send the letter
after we've all had a chance to review it and staff is
comfortable with it and then it doesn't impact or influence
today is discussion because all of the things we're talking
about don't occur at this point in the process anyway.
And so that takes away the takes away my concern to
actually do on our own.
>> County code worse, it's different than our so those
roads you see on that map
that's the way they're going to end up.
>> I think unless there's something like to ask MS.
Hammock that because I think she's been working with the
Orange County team. And and we have made a very calm and we
made it very clear that we we don't draft letters from the
dice on the fly, especially with this complexity. So Santa
can you help us understand what what happened. We didn't get
that letter to them today.
>> So my understanding at this point it's a conceptual
regulating plan for the comprehensive plan amendments
which shows conceptually the access points. I'm assuming
that these access point to be approved base if the conference
of plan amendments approved but I also understand that there
could be changes based on the PD which is which show more
detail. I had discussion with them regarding chillier Road
and at this point they're only trying one access point.
But there are some indication in the correspondence that that
there could be changes to that with the with the PD plan.
So I think this is finalized, but I do think more the details
will be so we if this gets transmitted and ultimately
adopted do you have time to the new concerns and work with him
during the process.
But in terms of those roadways. I do believe that if this plan
gets approved they would ultimately be approved for this
access points.
>> Mister chairman just stick to the letter should be set up
today. I really do mean great detail, but.
>> Commissioner in anticipation of that the all only
alternative that I see because I have we cannot be writing
letters from the diocese and we cannot be telling staff or the
chairman to write a letter that we don't all agree with.
So the alternative that I can maybe thread the needle is to
send the existing letter
with a 2 sentence covered that says something to the effect
of.
Thank you for attending to the issues that have been attended
to and we'd like to reiterate the other issues in this letter
has discussed by our board. That's it. So the motion it.
Mister chairman I handed down here.
>> And I don't know if this question for back have we as
Seminole County up informed Orange County that we want to
be a part of the review process because okay, yes, all right so
we have.
>> And previously with the original letter we had
requested that it be entered into the record and also be
included with the transmittal documents so we could ask the
same in this case too.
I'd be happy to make that is a motion motion.
>> A second the motion second largest commissioner
commissioner dallari any further conversation
seeing none those in favor, aye aye opposed like sign or none.
Miss him because that's something you believe you can
handle great and you will get to
yes, what role. Greatness. Some of you in the picture we
can use our offices made on break.
We'll ensure that
we get some
everybody is happy with that commissioner Lockhart in the
future.
>> I think it would be appropriate and collegial
for anything that the district commissioner, a plan to bring
forward but forgot to bring forward because of time to get
to bring you just couldn't because it was closing down the
meeting because of the problems we need that meeting and this
morning there were a lot of days that an email that has
been spent.
I think we have a collegiality issue that we need to make sure
doesn't occur in the future if it does I will absolutely
wholeheartedly stand in opposition.
>> Well I can tell you that I have spoken to the county
manager before today regarding this issue and has spoken to
him about this. For a couple of days regarding this issue.
I don't speak to my fellow commissioners about item to
bring up
that we're going to be voting on a note to this nurse,
our new I don't heard about it you need to speak to the county
manager about that.
What did you.
When one of the briefings given to the commission.
>> So I've been sending updates periodically through the man
we're just asking for if there are the actions of this latest
communication staff, I believe my e-mail went out last week.
And I sent a more comprehensive update. I think on December
20th. So asking this board to weigh in.
>> That's not my point my point is make sure that we were going
communication from our staff of the Orange County through our
staff to absolutely that's all I'm trying to do that
anything else for the good of the order
seeing none we'll be in a German to one 30 thank you all
very much.