>> Good evening. This is the 8/2/2023 Seminole County
planning and zoning Commission.
My name is Curtis a lawn chair, and for tonight's meeting
please stand for the pledge of allegiance.
>> One nation under God indivisible with liberty and
justice for all.
>> This sport is a seven-member board appointed by the Board of
County commissioners court has been established some of
tonight's meeting public hearing items back to the fund
by this board I referred to the Board of County commissioners
for further consideration.
Board members present tonight are myself.
Vice chairman Dan Lopez
commissioner Richard Sherman and commissioner Mike Lawrence
staff present tonight, us through some changes and
I'm Mary Moscowitz have plan development manager that's
member out senior assistant County attorney.
Jim Potter, professional engineer to element review
Vladimir some enough ski.
Professional engineer development review, John
Robinson principal planner
joy Giles, senior planner
any so away senior planner
Tyler Reed senior planner
into the gates plan and Tammy brush but is back as the PNC
for Clark, welcome Tammy
tonight's meeting with us follows stoppel introduce each
item the applicant wasn't with them present the item audience
members wishing to speak will then be heard.
Please make sure if you'd like to speak that you fill out a
comment card. They're located in the lobby and give it to
Tammy
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directly related to the item being heard
audience because we'll have 3 minutes to speak for 6 minutes
of representing unofficial great,
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provide their name and address for the record.
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been heard public comment will be closed the applicant will
then be given a chance to rebut
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Motion will be made and then will be second in the league
for discussion may occur and conclude with a vote I want to
cause the roll call vote if we have a nice but that's
deceiving with on tonight's agenda. The first item is
approval of the prepublication do I have a motion for a movie.
I can think
all in favor aye.
Next is approval of the minutes to have a motion for that
motion to approve minutes seconds we all in favor aye
minutes are approved will move on to our technical review item
which is the Casselberry Plaza preliminary subdivision plan
Tyler read.
>> Good evening for the record Tyler Reed senior planner for
the planning and development Division.
The applicant is you is requesting.
Approval of the council very positive preliminary
subdivision plan.
The applicant initially applied for a minor site pre evaluation
in which staff found that the property was not a parcel of
record as of 8/22/2000.
Therefore the property was not eligible for some dividing
under the minor plat provision of the Seminole County land
development code section, 35.1 to 2.
However the applicant can subdivide under the general
provisions of the land development code chapter,
35 subdivision regulations.
Casselberry Plaza is an existing shopping center in the
Oxford place future land use overlay district
properties in this overlay are exempt from over later carmen's
previous users have remained uses excuse me we have remained
active for greater than a 180 days.
Yeah, we can proposes splitting the existing commercial lot
into 2 commercial laws on 6.6.
9 acres.
The future land use is commercial in the zoning is C
2.
The existing structures will remain.
There are no plans to add additional structures or
utilities with this psp
the change a lot lines will change the setbacks for the
existing building on the proposed lot too.
The setbacks create a special yard
as determined by the planning manager
where applicable special yards allow minimum dimensions
generally required for side yard.
I was 0 fee for C 2 zoning.
All internal roads will be private and Seminole County is
the utility provider for water and sewer.
South finds the proposed psp to be consistent with all
applicable sections requirements of chapter,
35 of the land development code.
Staff recommends approval of the preliminary subdivision
plan forecast verifies a has requested and staff is on hand
to answer any questions. Thank you. Any questions of
staff.
Now as the applicant present.
Would you like to make a presentation.
>> They did a good job look a chance to speak in a few
minutes, if you want to.
This is a technical review item, but if any member of the
public is here that wants to be heard on this. We will hear you
for or against us,
not.
Something to rebut 40 questions discussion motion.
When the commotion
to approve the Casselberry preliminary subdivision plan.
>> Psp containing 2 commercial lots on 6.6 9 acres zoned C 2
located on South side of state Road 4.36.
>> Second all in favor, aye opposed no one here.
For item number 2. I think the county's requesting to continue
that til next month to need a motion from us on the edge too.
It can get a motion to continue till the September 6th meeting.
>> All move we continue the land development code rewrite
and associated comprehensive plan amendment to our next
regularly scheduled meeting on.
Whatever the 6.
>> On favor, aye aye.
Postponed a 3rd item is 2 '09 Collins drive special exception
in Turkey.
>> Good evening into Gates development services, the
applicant is requesting a special exception for guest
house in our what the single family dwelling district
located on the south side of college drive. The request is
confirmed to convert an existing 392.0 4 square foot
shed to a guest house a guesthouse will be for
intermittent temporary auctions occupancy by not paying guests,
we'll have no cooking facilities and will not be
rented.
On June 2620 23 in Seminole the Seminole County Board of
adjustment approved a rear yard setback variance from 30 feet
to 6 inches for the shed that is proposed to be a guest
house.
A community meeting was held on 8/3/2022 and there were 2
attendees staff recommends the Board of County commissioners
approved the special exception based on the conditions and the
development order for a guest house in our weny single family
dwelling district located at 2 online columns drive. This
concludes my presentation and be happy to answer any
questions that you may have.
>> Thank you Angie I think that what I understand here is there
are no property is residential properties are houses behind
and caressed by us to get any other questions of staff.
We've seen an applicant president.
Would you like to come and speak.
>> We don't want to.
>> I don't have any comment cards on this one, but any
member of the audience like to speak in support or in
opposition to this item
seeing none we'll close public comment.
And Ford questions discussion motion.
>> I move we recommend the Board of County commissioners
approved. The special exception and associated development
order for a guest house in the R one a single family dwelling
district on point to 2 acres located on the south side of
college drive.
>> Second all in favor.
Item passed thank you. Next our agenda. We have the good core
of PD rezoning
and have a couple comment cards, one of them doesn't wish
to speak so, I'll pass this town you guys can can take a
look at that.
>> Hi good evening, I'm Kenny so a senior planner for
development services so the present and the poor.
This request is for a reason for the C one retail commercial
to PD plan development for the good for alcohol beverage
establishment. The proximate Le 0.78 acre located on West state
Road 4.34 approximately 2018 2,860 feet west of Montgomery
road.
According to the applicant, the good part is a wine and spirits
retail marketplace that caters to the mindset of self society
and planet.
The good part is not just a typical one spirit shop,
the good for us outside the box concept is to donate a portion
of the profits from wine and spirits sales to a charity of
the customer's choice.
The proposed use is not a cloud of fire or bottle club.
The use of specifically for the sale of liquor beer and wine in
a small percentage of goods.
The the propose use
is not a is not a club bar for bottle club, the says
specifically up skews me I'm repeating the applicant will be
using a previous true value store and there will be no
increase in the footprint of the building and no allow
allowable outs outdoor seating the applicant is requesting a
rezone from C one retail commercial to PD plan
development to allow package sales of beer wine and liquor
and to allow for minimal on-site alcohol consumption
which will be limited to take stance. The subject property.
Zone C one and alcohol beverage establishments are an allowable
use with special exception approval. Since there will be
tastings on site the site would be encroaching and 3rd fired
1000 linear feet distance separation requirement from a
church for on premise consumption.
The PD planned development zoning if approved by the board
would allow the 1000 linear foot separation requirement
from a church and to allow for alcohol beverage establishment,
which is permitted by special exception and see one retail
commercial zoning district, including onsite consumption of
tastings
to minimize any potential adverse impacts the hours of
operation are limited to Monday through Saturday 10:00AM to
10:00PM and Sunday from 10:00AM to 09:00PM.
In addition the site is limited to 3 PS package sales license,
and there'll be no on-site consumption of full glass of
alcohol beverages only samples and tasting events
the applicant held a community meeting on 5/8/2023 and no one
attended from the public.
Stephens to request requested planned development zoning
classification to be consistent with the Seminole County land
development code and the Seminole County comprehensive
plan.
Staff recommends for the county commissioners adopt the
proposed ordinance enacting a rezone from C one retail
commercial to PD plan development and associated
development order and master plan for the poor
alcohol beverage establishment on approximately 0.78 acres
located on West state Road 4.34 approximately 2,860 feet west
of Montgomery Road and that concludes my presentation can
we have any questions of staff I do.
>> What do you say that what we have a quote here in the 1000
foot. Separation how how big of a quote from 10 feet 100 feet.
>> Well, it is the distance away from it is 864 feet.
The dis the separation distance map was within your package.
So it's about the differences and
you're welcome
and
further to that.
>> We don't see a lot of justification and the staff
report for how do we get around that.
I mean that's that
the statute.
>> You know it's the section so that was land development code
under section, 30.52.
>> 5.31 so how are we how are we able to skip over that is
because of the minimal consumption rates that's
correct. Yeah and then we're in the development order do we
define that because I know you're saying that it's limited
to taste teens and not full glasses, but I don't see
anything written out in the development order that defines
minimal. Well it.
>> I think there's a condition for the condition be the only
allowable onsite consumption is for tastings and special events
as permitted by section 30.1 3, 7, 8,
We'll be looking at the wrong thing different only 2 pages,
you know
oh I see OK.
Excellent
and the others
with the applicant like to make a presentation. Yes, so they're
here to make a question on that.
We try to
good evening.
>> My name is Ray Hall and I would want to park at 5 to 3
down the road.
This is this is my husband I might just go to 10 now they'll
circle along with 3, 2, 7, 7, 9,
With Israel Sharon.
We're all trying to get a quick story short with the founder of
a really really cool concept with a dream to do something
big with retail harness the power of retail to give back
can contribute in a positive way society with that we want
to tap into our experience as a team and the ways parents face
and try to create something special with live from the high
school going up and sat in Seminole County my entire life.
And this. This for us is a very special opportunity to bring
something amazing to Seminole County. Although it is wine and
spirits. I know that could be deemed taboo. This for us is
not about selling products. This is about feelings
ideologies experiences trying to create something remarkable
and archived our community. As you mentioned we will be
getting back to charity and everything that we sell and
beyond that we could in the prior turned out that allows
the customer to pick with those funds go I'd like to scroll
through possible with the.
So some once again on every 5 item that we saw in our story
we get back to charity and taking in we built this
business plan what we found out was that customers that they
want control over things going to want transparency so for the
past 18 months we've been building this app that's I want
to help others that allows him to do that. There's 3 these
that we focus on is the company its energy it's the experience
and is the notion of giving back and doing good. We really
want to create a better way to retail we want to turn the
thing into giving and increase something special right here in
our backyard. Beyond this location here opening up in
college Park center. Gainesville winter garden.
Hamlin you know we're excited that the reception has been
incredible because people want to do good.
As a company you'll see here is our mission vision and purpose,
but overall,
you know our goal, although I understand the space can be
deemed you know a negative really want to try to do
something positive with the industry. We want to ensure
everybody celebrates unselfishly whether it's a gift
for a friend a donation for stranger marketplace to make
somebody feel special and that's our goal and the big
picture for us is harming harnessing the power of retail
and generally into an altruistic force for good.
On every price tag on our store we're going to tell customers
how much is going back to charity and then check out
they're going to pick where those funds go.
And every part of the experience in store, it's all
about to get back it's about feeling good about the film is
about the emotion of helping your neighbor in the world
right now that's divided or you know, I'm going through some
tough times we really want to be a shot of something positive
for them their day to day experience.
And storm will bring it to life without parole board and show
them how much we get back to charity with all of our partner
charities of all of these wooden store, so it will be a
big piece to what we do as a company same quarter, same
price. Our impact we're not raising the prices there is no
gimmick social games. We're customer centric customer focus
and we want to get the best experience for the cost of the
community.
We are.
I was a great and the good for will have many things other
than mind and spirit just we do so on his fears for the small,
but it's just one piece of what we do.
What market place to get the candles and stationary many
things for customers to come in and get
we want to get the many reasons the coming storm rather than
once for it. We really want to create an experience unlike
anything else that you've ever seen in this space.
And as we mentioned we did for the Napa says cold though I
want to help others this is what is in store to designate
their charity of choice. We believe we have an
opportunity to change terrible check out for good similarly,
how you might do to target or some other retailer and they
ask you to round up, we're going to support our customers
purpose of our office to something really good.
I mentioned with the library and my best friend and ally for
shortstop with the name on the baseball team, a late rally
losses for adults and a brain cancer. I'm in it for us,
you know in my careers really. A moment that changed my life
and I said I got to we've got to do something about this.
So working in an 80 billion dollar industry said man what
if we just a little bit we can do a lot.
So this is where that idea came from my wife from Argentina,
very blessed and very grateful to be here. We all want to help
others and help our neighbors and this is where this idea
came from to do good. And the reaction thus far this is just
one story we're going to open and now it's grown into
numerous locations and franchise us off we're all
really we built on the backs of people wanted to do good and to
really for us to be in Seminole County and put this right in
our backyard, so first of all would be really special for us.
That's a need for this process is that the charity, they pick
a slight cause whatever it is they care about we don't care
whatever it is you're purposes, we're going to put out of our
profits and then they get to track their contributions look
at the track to get back. Here's a list of all of our
cause is and it's been incredible thus far we've
partnered with a lot of it the foundations for charities,
local national and your name and where they were feeding the
homeless rather we're building homes. Well as you can see here
our team is very active on the market his second harvest,
your locally feeding the firefighters helping the
sharing center there in Casselberry it's been a
remarkable experience for us of the employees we've attracted
by wanted to come over to be part of something bigger than
themselves has blown us away.
The charities that rally around us the brands that have rallied
around us were really just a conduit between customers that
want to do good communities that want to do good brands
that want to do good. We've created a platform for them to
do good.
You know the one thing we say we're just turning moving in
together. I understand the connotation that comes with
wine and spirits. There's never going to the point that the
land central Florida's, I'm proud to say that the good that
was building this backyard.
Our our messaging is not about fireball or or certain brands
it's about being a good neighbor South being a positive
influence about doing the right thing it's about helping one
another. That's what we care about not to represent as a
company.
One is one thing here because the program, you know those
poor blue just on the phone that you see here actually
allowed to leave messages about what it is like. We all you
have something different that resonates with us from others
and that's why we're seeing a society that personally help my
family my entire life was something different that
specific to each other causes. So we allow customers to leave
personal messages and tell us what it is a day for 4. It's
about people feeling a part of something much bigger than
themselves.
Well quickly get to Mike
asking students to repurpose the true value space you're in
Longwood so you see the before picture you see the after
picture for a high and marketplace we're going to
elevate the experience something you have not seen in
this space before so when you walk in you know, Crowder no
posters, no neon signs. It's going to be a great experience
right there along with something you're very proud of.
There are some renderings here as you can get a feel open and
just a pleasant experience for everybody, there's the overall
war plan
high-end finishes and really you know something for us that
we were part of the past 18 months to create
as a brand another message he was going to say wine or
spirits, it's going to be positive messages about the N a
a good neighbor and being a good person and doing good
things.
Well the locations as I mentioned it will be opening
over the next 12 to 18 months summer we currently under
construction. Obviously along with this is near get our
entire team. So we're hopeful to be able to move forward.
We've we've created a remarkable team to drive this
business.
Most importantly. Mike is this is a special piece for us to be
running Lee for us in Longwood and the other was for the good
work. And here it is
well, I really want to add to that is I am a local resident.
I actually live about
with 3 minute walk from the proposed location. We moved out
in 2002 for kids 3 grandkids, one on the way to fall for our
kids went through the summit County schools, 2 of our
grandkids are in the process right now. I will bring it up
because when you think about all the store you think of bars
on the windows and neon signs and that is the polar opposite
of what the good Lord will look like and what we do.
That comes to our target marketing as well. People will
not be coming into the good fortified, cheap liquor and
whatnot that goes with those type of liquor stores.
>> We purchased. Our first we have to restaurants right now
both in Seminole County one of them is just adjacent to this
property and we brought that restaurant in 2019 hurricane
grill wings.
We really turned that restaurant around from where it
was headed.
And right now we do about 2 and a half to 3 times the sales
when we really actually purchase a restaurant and
second restaurant that was New York deli also along with just
about you know 3, 4, minutes down the road.
We did the same thing and we could repeal the sales and I'm
not saying that from a revenue standpoint, I'm saying that
from a community standpoint. It's allowed us to get back
thousands and thousands of dollars to the local schools,
elementary schools, high schools, Lake Mary Lake
Brantley rock Lake middle school, wait just callous and
different charities that we give to to get back to the
community as well as the schools.
In addition to that right and if you combine the 2
restaurants, 70.
Purchase we had 29 total employees today we have about
75 total employees, most of which meant in Seminole County
and
you know our our restaurants just had a very community feel
to them and we have tremendous support from what they call
about a win and what I do. It's just so you know our
community to live in that area and you know it's it's been
fantastic with these 2 businesses, very hands on
other than one week. A year there 7 days a week and it will
be any different here and I want to make sure you know that
you know this is not a something we're we're just
investing it hoping to make money this is something out
physically be involved in and out the at the place 7 days a
week and a few
speak to anybody in our community are restaurants are
coming in. The biggest thing they're going to tell you is
how we run a business or nothing to do with sales,
you know I was it's run like a family and I think that's what
we're most proud of so living 2 minutes away from this proposed
location.
Having a you know 3 grandkids also right in that area.
You obviously you should know that we want to keep the place
looking beautiful,
and make sure that did say
a great for the community.
>> Questions of the applicant.
I have a couple comment cards here.
Both are in opposed. Mister, normally white take support
first, but they don't have any of those several hallways.
What does it lend him go.
We re not correct.
Okay, you're there to ensure our so we'll have to the
Taylor.
The church nearby.
My name is Timothy Taylor.
>> I've been a pastor of First Baptist Church 72 Springs,
also Lewis is charged in the Springs for 40 years, I'm not
an interim Hatteras
has been stated by the applicant to this lady here I
believe I look for elected permanent past, I'm not paying.
But that's by choice.
I have a picture from a private prayer a prayer job.
And I also work as a certainly dressed
and because of our intelligence survey draft.
Look we got the Seminole County.
The property appraiser's website.
We are only 254 feet
from the property that they were that they are proposing to
use
that's less. That's right. Yeah for sure of the legal
distance, according to the law or your kids, whatever whatever
the whatever it all.
We are opposed to it and not not only the terms of the
Springs, but also has problems which is our sister charge
which is a Spanish speaking church
who occupies the same
Campos what different hours.
I love them for their.
With Alex.
Desire,
but they also talk about community.
Big so close to that place.
According to a law they can't be there and we would like to
see that carried out.
We have pro at a location. 250 feet away
was a transient and
homeless population
to cross our property used to camp out on the property who
knocked out the lights we recently had a break in and
we're concerned that the package well we got the call of
the package store.
They will be he doesn't want it to clientele
to people who don't have a lot of money.
I could see them coming yet
buying their product y 250 feet to our property camping or
sidewalks one of the older the Wolverines and consuming the
bucket.
Possibly leaving their debris and whatever behind it.
We really are in a position to us and this is possible as well
to having the alcoholic establishment so close.
I'm not that we consider to be a grievous
well into the law says they are only one quarter of its 2.
What from the legal and so I would just when expressed by
opposition.
Thank you. Mister Taylor.
>> Next have to make great him down. Yes, okay, yeah.
>> State your name and address please Haglund Kendall to 89,
lazy acres line following Florida 3, 2, 7, 5, 0,
They're in like he was saying lifelong
resident of Seminole County live in the same home for 50
years
gone to this church for about 40 years.
And
as far as community as we do everything that we can
as a church to provide.
Services and help for people in the community that we can we
are small church
that within 6 pass as a are sister church. That helps
tremendously.
We do operate a a think tank on premises. That is helped out by
second harvest.
So we do that to their young to help the community.
We also have a
you know children's ministries, and youth ministries. We have
senior things that are going on with older folks. And my
concern is
I've seen in the last.
Back to us with miss any today.
I ask her if she happened to have access to the calls for
service.
I'm from Seminole County share.
Over the last year.
We have seen or
pretty good increase. And those.
Some of these some of these folks are
we're not we're not they can get kind of aggressive even
with the play-offs
we've been told by the police officers do not approach some
of these folks can get
and they have they told us you know Colin to non-emergency
number and let us come and help you that's our job you don't
need to get hurt.
But at the same time along with that because of having a an
older population in the in the church, not to mention the
youth with the kids and stuff like that.
We have a playground for the kids basketball courts back
there and whatnot and
always taken the kids back there.
There's a big green space back there for the kids to play
soccer. Hit a baseball throw football, whatever, you know to
do different things activities back there. And it's
on the very that
against the back of the property. There's.
I call it a wood line. It's more like brush and stuff like
that that is on the backside of the property, it's not on her
property.
I know that there are there are how some of these homeless
folks that have set up camps back and whatnot. So it's very
convenient for them.
And he's trying to wrap up sorry.
>> I'm sorry sorry sorry
haha okay, thank you very much. Thank you.
What the applicant like to make a rebuttal.
>> I completely understand what he's saying like I said our one
restaurant was literally a minute away from the location.
Seminole County, especially what kind of has a very large
homeless population is pretty sad actually when you look at
the median income of Seminole County that we actually have
that
through Hurricanes we have raised thousands of dollars for
through the bad guy
a charity called back to vote on that money stays right and
what I want and is given to these homeless families because
a lot of the kids actually go to these schools and they don't
want anybody to know that they're living in these kind of
conditions.
I would say most of which are great people they just you know
need and now there are some as they describe it and I don't
mind telling you
Michael's exactly what your goal is we've dealt with that
when we took the Hurricanes and we took over Hurricanes.
There's a big courtyard and there.
And the same folks would hang out of the 4 yard and drink and
do drugs and what not and when we talk it over that was one of
our first priorities we work with local law enforcement
security and with our landlord and we cleaned out there is 0
issue there now a matter of fact to the point where we
actually have people that are right now we don't charge
anything.
You can do birthday parties and private parties back in the
courtyard and it was such a successful clean up that
the shopping center actually rented space is now in that
courtyard that we're paying for almost 20 years because nobody
would rent those spaces in the courtyard until we came in
there and clean that up and we got rid of all that there's not
out there know, I know there's some of the same people that
you know probably up there. And the year through your
property.
But I want you to know that I've already taken a proactive
stance on this and talk with the Seminole County sheriff's
we have many Seminole County sheriff's to come into our
restaurants that were you know very friendly with because you
know we take care of law enforcement obviously
I spoke to them already about what we could do as far as the
program to increase you know patrol, I'll vote for open in
primarily one of those especially at nighttime
and they said absolutely they work hand in hand with us to
step up patrols especially when we're closed to make sure that
not just the good work that I mentioned the church and every
all the surrounding areas. It is better protected so I'm
on record not just the same that we will make this better
what I have proof that we've already done it 2 minutes away.
And we'll do the same thing I don't care the resources.
It takes us we will clean up that area and that building
sets vacant, I know you said it happen more in the past year
and a half that's not a coincidence the billing city
make it it's going to attract people that shouldn't be there
when we have a little bit it's beautiful, it's not going to
attract these folks is actually going to drive them out.
Thank you already get Laker Publix at 2 other. Settle at a
circle K then there's one other quick Mart. All within a minute
of their if they want to get it, you know spirits, they're
going to get it they're probably not going to come to
us because our spine going to be as cheap as probably what
they can buy these other locations but it's vital
and I like I said already been proactive working with Seminole
County sheriff
to make sure that we clean this all but you're not to have
these issues, I'm on record saying your issues are going to
go down just like they did.
I suspect was in the courtyard, so I get it, I agree we're on
the same page will be great neighbors and you know our goal
is to clean it up just as is theirs.
>> You had any conversation with the church I have.
>> I write in to
to meet with them and he did the same thing you don't do
that, he's definitely opposed to it for for many reasons and
the transit was one which is what led me to contact the
sheriff's office and see what we can do to make sure that we
you know fix that
the his concerns that I said the same thing that they as I
say now we share the same goal we want to rid the area of
people that shouldn't be there. I mean I know there's a lot of
homeless in that area a lot of which like I said I'm not that
people are just help we raise a lot of money for those families
and their kids go to our schools, but there are some
that are sketchy exactly like they like they described,
and we want nothing to do with any there we're going to do
everything in our power to make sure we read that the area
that.
>> You could be for discussion questions.
No I'm sorry public and public comments plus I have a question
of any.
Why the discrepancy on just a chair.
Did you say.
>> So the distance is measured from the closest entrance along
the public right away so it's not as the Crow flies per se.
>> So that's how we measure that the court should use your
800 feet that's the distance between the increase between
the the entry to the property line up at the church popping.
Yeah, OK thank you.
And the other questions.
All right, I see what you're saying that matters maybe for
vehicle traffic more than the blocking homeless chart the
again that is how all code is is right and so that is how the
mission is to
any other discussion.
Questions.
Well we just one comment.
We have to remember that citing something which to owning and
the real estate not
to the quality of what they do go to.
So we've got a look at this from that perspective is this
something that we should be approving or not be approved.
>> Personally I like the concept the lives. I wish I saw
a little bit more
just a vacation and the staff report.
How are just avoiding the
that distance separator
we're going to have him.
>> As it's a tough one coming that that's
close but I'm not going to make a motion to tonight.
State of the record to make a motion to deny
ordinance and I can to the Board of County commissioners
to adopt the road koza ordinance enacting a rezone
from C one retail commercial to PD plan development and
associated development order
and master development plan for the good for alcohol beverage
establishment of approximately 0.78 acres located on West
state Road 4.34 approximately 2,860 feet West Montgomery
road.
>> To clarify your recommending the BCC deny the ordinance it
in.
>> We recommend that the
word of County commissioners denied access.
Further discussion.
Feel the second.
Yeah everything I can to those things
watch as we do have that for tonight.
If you're like she can pass the gavel to I'm sure that one of
them be able to I think we have probably some more discussion
hospital to motion fails.
And it certainly did we do not have a second.
Yeah, I would tell me why you want to make that motion.
It's more so about the distance of the 2 buildings, not
necessarily the entrances and
personally the can that concerned with the homeless
population.
That was already in place.
>> The current zoning that that is in place we wouldn't allow
this type of reception from existing so obviously that the
point of this is district strictly to allow this type of
business this type of retail establishment to to come into
existence, this close to the church within 200 and so many
feet. The of the walls of the building.
>> Just to clarify can see one it is not a permitted use pen
the applicant could apply for special exceptions he won for
alcohol that are just so earlier was the night was not
the case, yeah, important clarifications that yeah,
the the it can and cannot apply for the special exception
because it does not meet the distance separation. But this
is a planned development and so that allows you to put
conditions on that property and I would like to remind the
board that and that makes it sound like an end run. Around
the the normal cost Weiss a 1000 feet not a variance that
as part of the application it is not as it's not a permitted
use so you are allowing the use of an alcohol beverage
establishment,
the existing zoning is C one which says that the use of an
alcohol that this establishment must meet the distance
separation of a 1000 feet subject to special exception
among other things right.
>> And obviously the distance to the church's concern for me
as well for a time.
Well second.
All in favor of denial.
In that case we recommend denial spent working
commissioners.
Yes, all in favor to recommend denial of the ordinance.
>> It's just everybody that was here this goes on to the county
Commission the applicant so chooses the county Commission
can choose to overturn us, that's their right there.
The elected officials so if you have an interest you should
attend that hearing.
>> I think we already have a date certain for that to
September 12th the U.S. mission in September 12th I think yeah.
So that's the next time that the site will be hurt. Thank
you.
Next item Howell branch estates rezone
joy Giles.
Good evening, joy Giles, senior planner for the planning and
development Division.
The applicant is requesting a rezone for the how branches or
skis me how branch estates rezone from a one agriculture
to R one BB single-family dwelling on 4.3 4 acres located
on the East side of how Ranch Road approximately a quarter
mile north of aloma Avenue.
The applicant proposes to develop the subject property as
a single family residential subdivision under the R one BB
zoning classification with the minimum lot size of 5,000
square feet in the minimum lot with the 50 P
the subject property has a medium density residential
future land use designation which allows a maximum density
of 10 drilling units per net buildable acre
the property is located within the Seminole County utility
service area will be required to connect to public utilities.
Stephens a request to be consistent with the Seminole
County comprehensive plan and compatible with the trend of
development in the area which consist of single-family and
multifamily to request occasions such as the requested
are one B visa morning as well as the are 3 multiple family
dwelling zoning district which accounts for 1, 2, 3, story
townhomes apartments and condominiums
due to the higher than average concentration of residents,
the ER, one BB zoning district is tipping typically located
where it's well serviced by public and commercial services
and has convenient access to thoroughfares in collector
streets.
The site will access onto how branch road which is classified
as an urban minor arterial Road and is approximately a quarter
mile north of a woman Avenue. Providing a multitude of
commercial services in compliance with the Seminole
County land development code. The applicant did conduct a
community meeting on 5/25/2023.
Staff recommends the Board of County commissioners adopt the
ordinance enacting a rezone from a one to our one BP on for
a 0.3 4 acres located on the East side of how branch road
north of Aleppo have a new. Thank you the questions of
staff
known as the applicant president to make a
presentation.
>> Good evening. My name is bill Mackey from a landscape
architect and planner with daily designed to address since
9, 1, 3, North Pennsylvania now where Park Florida. We've got
the staff report we agree with staff, I'm here to ask for your
support and answer any questions you may have
questions of them.
>> I hope that I was like to see a.
I know you're you're not required based on this
application but what's the site plan look like come in the last
moment.
>> So we're looking at firms commissioner on German at 16
Watson, we did present a site plan and the community then OK
so I'd be happy to put the something overhead.
What we're looking at is you know the want to trust is an
existing curb cut.
How branch road that winds with the how cold across the street.
So we've got to use the existing driveway as one pulled
a sack road we have 12 properties that about us behind
us. Those lots are 54 by 125 foot are a lot of us are one
are 54 by one 20. So they're very compatible but and then
with the return trip on up towards the front.
It's our understanding right now that the utilities are the
site flows towards the North we've talked to our Seminole
County utilities that we can tie Angeles station across the
street.
So utilities are available.
So but this is a site plan that we presented at a community
meeting thank you.
And it is about
when the shooting.
>> I don't have any comment cards here 30 a member of the
audience would like to speak in favor opposition to this item.
See none we'll close the public comment portion.
For questions discussion motion.
I make a motion.
>> Commission to recommend the Board of County commissioners
adopt the proposed ordinance and acting as rezone from a one
agriculture to R one BB single-family dwelling on 4.3 4
acres located on the East side of how French route.
Approximately a quarter mile north of alma Avenue.
>> The second came all in favor aye.
Item number 6
cheely scrap metal rezone to Robinson.
>> Good evening, madam chair commissioners to Robinson
planning and development.
I'm here to present the GOP scrap metal.
Request to rezone
the property currently has around.
Kerry says I never flipped my
what if what my slides tonight. And you can see on the right to
the property, currently has a split 70 between a one
agriculture see to commercial retail commercial and the M one
industrial, the want to be on the far right here in green.
The request is to rezone to M one industrial on approximately
0.9 acres
to support the existing operations of a scrap metal
recycling facility that's located to the north of the
subjects site.
The subject site is located on the East side of the goal.
Funny here
is located on the East side of lining the road and it's
approximately 333 south of South Padre to Boulevard.
So this site currently is existing current lease,
functioning as a scrap metal storage site and also the
service for overflow vehicle parking
and the applicant has indicated that they intend to integrate
this site into a the properties that they currently own to the
north
to help them improve the a killer circulation. The one of
the ideas is to separate the public access for automobiles
by having and use the site to the South and and then the
truck traffic with I believe continue to be enter into the
more northern say that you see here on the map.
But it would be cross expert access between the 2 sites.
They've also indicated the applicant's indicated that they
would likely be constructing a storm water pond. And that the
site would also in some way still provide storage bins for
scrap metal and overflow vehicle parking so I'm sure
that you've got to figure out how the pieces worked and you
know that this I can't fit everything I don't think so
so the subject property has industrial future land use
designation and the intent of that is to identify locations
that would a surfer for a variety of heavy commercial and
industrial land uses that are oriented towards wholesale
distribution storage manufacturing and other
industrial uses
the industrial future land use has a maximum intensity
permitted on the is 0.6 5 floor area ratio.
Preliminary analysis is showing that there's no indication of
wetlands or flood Plains on this particular parcel.
The course, if there's any indication of that there they
would have to delineate those at the time the site plan.
The the they currently have access. Winding road as
indicated, and there's no improvements program for that
and the county's 5 your current program.
The applicant has indicated they would not be you can see
anchor road is on the
the side of the property. They've indicated they wouldn't
be using in corrode however, if and they intend to do that that
would have to be brought up to County standard
as well.
And we go back here so
where you don't quit.
So the the site is served by city cassowary for water and
sewer. And you can see in this map that city cassowaries
adjacent to the south of the site, currently.
The we have instructed them to reach out about possible.
Annexation I believe they've done that and they don't intend
to build anything on the site, but if they didn't end until
improve the infrastructure and install building. They would be
expected to connect to public utilities to the city cast very
as I mentioned they would have to go to the site plan process
that time at that time we would be determining the the buffers
and the
landscaping they are required to provide a minimum of 25%.
Open space.
The applicant has conducted a community meeting
that was on Thursday July 13th that Billy 06:30PM and they've
reported that they had 3 attendees
this sign in sheet in the summer the meeting should be in
your packet we did receive. One letter of opposition.
I I believe that maybe the property owner attending the
meeting but the gentleman that sent the comments was out of
the country at the time so if there's a season at by email,
but it looks like maybe relatives or maybe other owners
had attended the community meeting.
And they believe that letter opposition should also be
distributed because it came in a little late.
Great thank you so staff recommends so we can find it is
consistent with the industry future land use designation and
the comp plan amendment it is compatible with surrounding
uses in the area. So that staff recommends that the board of
County commissioners adopt the ordinance enacting a rezone
from a one agriculture see to retail commercial and M one
industrial 2, 1, industrial to support operations of an
existing scrap metal recycling facility on approximately 0.98
acres located on the East side of winding road approximately
330 feet south of South Lake and both are that concludes my
presentation, madam chair, here for any questions you may have
and the applicant I believe is attending.
I take it
degroat would be
the trees own to industrial.
>> What would be the buffer requirements, particular I'm
interested in the south side of the property. None needed
because Jason to what the EU sorry is time to the north.
>> The case of the uses to the South are also industrial.
I haven't calculated the Missouri buffer requirement,
I guess and that is my question.
>> And Seminole County we have performance standards so it
would be dependent on the use one of the property. So if it's
you know it unlike used to like use we generally do not have
that for requirements.
>> I don't know that this is like used to like use but okay.
>> Yeah, they I believe the property to the South has an
industrial zoning and industrial land use on it as
well.
>> And I believe that probably you you know you receive have
pictures of those those buildings that are looking to
the South. And I guess is the question of this parcel is
overall Houston me in the site plan.
Yahoo has been determined yet so that's something that would
be determined at site plan I I can't specifically say what
that distance would be, but we would be looking at buf.
>> What the owner to the south never commented anyway is what
I do know that that's exactly what what concerns I think for
them that need to be heard at that even if he's not here.
>> So can you explain to me a little bit better what the
traffic flow where the proposed traffic.
Well, my plan is going to be you said they're not proposing
any access on anchor road.
>> I know they have indicated they would not be accessing the
site through anchor road it would just be too lineman Road.
And
if the applicant here which I believe they are they're
probably I'm in a better position to to says just to
read a straight rezone weren't we haven't really gotten to.
Site planning. Yet however they have indicated
most likely what they would do is use the parcel in question.
The subject site for
customer access whereas. I believe you know truck
traffic metal pick-up and drop-off would be happening at
this site that's currently has access to find a way to the
north so the idea is to separate out those to access.
Okay and get a pardon my ignorance but could you explain
to me why this can't be done with the zoning the way it
currently is
Welker has split zoning
is dust really the a lot of the future land use is supportive.
We have agricultural zoning and we have we see one the
intensity of the C one would not allow this intensity of use
if you're sitting at scrap metal facility. And then the
one would not. We lost orange which it does, but it wouldn't
allow
the more intense industries right, but maybe just on or
send the business enough but.
>> We're just using this to reroute traffic flow we're
going to bring customers through. That's not heavy
trucks, why wouldn't that be able to be done
with the existing them.
>> Well I don't again we don't have a site plan but we've been
indicated a few options and what they want to do with the
site but the idea is to integrate it into one entire
site plan for
all the properties and that's what is at least be
communicated through e-mail to me okay, I'm good I hear what
you're saying if it was simply just to use it for a driveway
access. I don't believe the rezoning would be required but
if we look at as entirety of the site plan and the use.
And that's how we that's how I'm approaching it I believe it
would have to be in industrial zoning to match.
Any other questions to staff.
When the present.
Good evening. My husband knows the Sharjah nearing 3, 1,
5, the strongest in straight for Florida 3, 2, 1, to get as
an exact us here.
>> Well, Shep sports out there that was operating can answer
any operations questions. I did want to point out that
we're currents with
the staff recommendations will be a priest a surrogate and
explaining to do a good job of walking through essentially
that they intended to bring this parcel and to be
consistent with the operations to the northern parcels
and so we want to make that uniform and wall
access is a key part of it online I wrote the rest of the
property, I would you want to leave open and flexible.
There's no attention to connect to a road
and keep that sealed off as well as anything Jason to the
lake that separation there. As far as the letter on mission
that was shared with us.
The first time there I think appears to be a
misunderstanding. On the county property appraiser's report and
mentions under the tax code to see one I believe but are
options may be confusing the 2 between a tax district as
zoning district. This is clearly a industrial I'm used
to the north and surrounding.
And we believe that rezoning this would be consistent with
future land use.
The starters the second I do.
And the amount of screening along the lake we've within the
melt points out that would clarify that we've had several
e-mail exchanges addition, the community
and then lastly there is a concern about sinkhole
in which case. You know we would certainly do proper
design sound engineer and follow local and state
standards.
Address side there has been under attack investigation on
this property. There's no indication on to say are any
indication by the by the just report that there would be
evidence of a sinkhole or concern. I quit.
So we're here for questions and again we concur with staff and
appreciate theirs.
>> So then you did communicate with this business owners the
landowners to actually to the south. Yes.
Some of my concerns and I think I'm starting to understand and
I think some of his concerns are addressed Justin that there
won't be access an anchor road correct think that's where he's
access to.
But he states that they have customer traffic that it would
be disruptive to their business with an adjoining industrial
and that there's a school nearby.
It will be disruptive presumably if you're not access
and an anchor.
Where's the school relative to this school and the North you
can see that I'm Ariel had the track.
>> To the north it's a frontal rated R to have.
So weird. We're keeping our distance from their exist
operations who lies to the driveways on Lyman road since
we're able to should be off and distribute his vehicle.
And and that should provide bakhtiar social safety in our
minds separate out the
water trucks from more passenger cars that are coming
in everything would be online and Raptors change that.
>> Tucker and I think the other item that struck me in his
email because they also saw come up in your community
meeting. Can you speak at all to the mosquitoes and as Sen we
make working on their property to the south more dangerous
than it presently, is.
>> Yeah, so I mean we do agree with I am certainly there's
requirements for storm water code that you have to
are not allowed into. Continue which would be an impetus for
that let's get a reading we will follow the county and
local as well as the state statutes that require water
reach on down if it is driver tension. Otherwise it's a wet
detention pond.
That's the second option in order to avoid that but again
we'd be consistent with all the local.
>> And state standards to address you have any
information. Apparently there looks to be some kind of
flooding probably want to incur what would be the effect of
your attention time that you propose on that positive or
negative.
>> So everything on this and say it appears the drain from a
West to East towards the lake. So any flooding that might be
occurring on acres and beads the saddest at a lower
elevation.
So while we would house for more on to accommodate our
site.
It may pick up some of that flow. That's heading that way
but I can't
with certainty say that this would address or contribute to
when it turns out under it.
>> His problem is on banker and it's pulling in that direction
could possibly make it worse.
>> That we would be required to first work not to shorts any
more storm water than that would be going off site right
now
eyes into the same access point right now that they're just
more on the side of the site of the North.
Weeds to the lake and we've utilized in that same and the
church point so it would be completely avoiding a correct.
>> We're all together other questions of the applicant.
I just have one comment. I mean, conceptually I don't
have a problem with what you're doing here. Certainly you're
under one land use. I was in 2 and a strip.
I'm still concerned the you you're a few uses pretty
h******* and the guy to the south.
There's a little more shows a peaceful.
I mean I know this is only is only here it's not it's not a
psp or something we talked more detail, but I would my New
Year's say something on the record about what you might
consider as a buffer from at you're you're adjacent property
over to the south.
>> I mean we have for like to put either. There's a cocky
planned to the last. I don't think we're as intense and that
on my worst is that I said, but just from a general context
reference but that being said we do have a buffer are not
even about for more of a screen that we utilize on the north
side of the properties right now the school just appear to
be successful. We have to entertain some type of
vegetative scream I'm there to serve but nothing's requires
it. We certainly don't want to interfere negatively impacts
but we need to do some type of screening would be open to
that.
>> You would do it, but I just want to kind of get on the
record. So when your psp comes in we see a little bit of
screening that.
>> Yes. We can address concerns about time.
Any other questions of the applicant.
I don't have any comment cards
is there any make one clarification
this would not be psp is a comeback is safe. Okay.
But it would come before us again and we could see that
kind of detail downtown we don't see it.
Is there any member in the audience who would like to
speak in favor or opposition.
Okay seeing none we'll close public comment.
Board questions discussion lotion
myself I don't have a problem with this I I
I think that some of the property owner to the south
concerns are valid and should have should be addressed as
they were on the record. I am a little a little bit of
concern about the fuzzy nurse, the plan as it's presently
presented to us and if we want to see it again but otherwise I
don't have any opposition that theory you prove the site plan
goes to the development review committee.
The DRC goes to them.
So you could point out we talk about yes, absolutely and yeah.
What we do in Seminole County is that the project manager
will be the same project manager for the site plan so
Mister Robinson will if they submit a site plan would be
that project manager and I'm sure he'll remember all of
these lovely comments that.
>> Okay on that basis
will recommend the Board of County commissioners adopt the
proposed ordinance enacting a rezone from a one a cultural
she to retail commercial man one industrial to M one
industrial on the products, we 0.9 acres located on the East
Side alignment road approximately 330 feet south of
South Ronald Reagan Boulevard.
>> We have a second second all in favor, aye.
And the item will be recommended to the BCC
my clothing business married you have anything for the poor
and anything to do so.
>> I just do want to mention some staffing changes. First
I'd like to mention, Dan congratulate destroyed Giles
says she has been promoted to the principal planner and so
she will be the plan. Kind planning team. The reason for
the promotion was the retirement of Jeff Hopper the
probably guys and see him that much that he was the principal
planner for the long range planning team. And so that will
be filling that position on on that team. And as you notice
here a lovely for miss some especially its back. She will
now be the permanent clerk to the planning and zoning
Commission and we thank her fall, great work in and welcome
back.
Finally, I would like to announce that this is my last
planning and zoning Commission meeting I'm relocating with my
family. Out of state. I will not be leaving the county until
the end of September but I will be at the.
That planning conference during your September meeting so that
Cameco be here to present the land development code changes
and I know that you guys well be nice to her and she was so
nice to me and I would do your thought for a review of that
graduation every movie a Savannah. My favorite places to
send my he's always welcome you can come and visit me, but I'm
not going to be my address.
>> Have a similar job up there. I do it yes, yes, thank you.
>> We enjoyed working with you even though some time he didn't
enjoy me. I.
>> All of you the call now
graduations joy and welcome back to me
and that concludes my report that a meeting adjourned.